Quick PIP hunting without an indicator on M1-M5

[gainfaiter]

Приветствую всех трейдеров форума! В этой теме, я прошу откликнуться тех трейдеров, которые реально работают или работали в таком ключе. Тема пипсовки интересует не только начинающих, но и опытных трейдеров, многие путают пипсовку со скальпингом. Я, наверное, облазил весь интернет, в поисках дельной торговой системы быстрой пипсовки, но так ни чего стоящего и работоспособного не нашёл. Я так же считаю, что индикаторы для быстрой пипсовки совершенно неуместны и даже вредны, так как здесь всё делается молниеносно, а индикаторы запаздывают.

Задача этой темы, осветить это тёмное пятно, совместными усилиями. я, как и многие форумчане, буду очень признателен за любую практическую информацию от опытных трейдеров.

Я, думаю, основные вопросы, на которые трудно найти ответы, это:

1)Точность входа в сделку, как научиться входить в сделку, что бы цена продолжала двигаться в нужном направлении, а не откатывалась, как по закону подлости назад, как только мы откроем ордер, дабы не приходилось часами пересиживать минуса, что бы потом взять заветные 3-5 пунктов, т.е, как, собственно быстро пипсовать?

2)При какой величине убытка закрывать сделку, напомню - наша цель быстро взять 3-5-7 пунктов, так что бы не ловить постоянных лосей или не слить за одну сделку пол депозита?

Это вообще скользкий вопрос, ведь многие пипсовщики не ставят стоп лосс, тогда как же закрывать убыточную сделку, сколько пипсов предел в минус, при котором закрываем убыток?

Если ставить большой стоп пунктов 30, то один лось перечеркнёт весь профит, целого дня работы, а если ставить маленький стоп, то он будет часто срабатывать и мы опять будем в минусе. Как быть в этом вопросе?

В общем, расскажите, кто как работает по этому виду трейдинга.

Заранее спасибо всем!

 

[trance2008]

stop maximum 10 PP should be set, and if the entry point is correct, it will often not work, more often there will be profits. and in General, what you are talking about, it should be done as do Russian traders who trade there on FORTS, MICEX, etc. there is a glass, a tape of orders, they trade by levels and everything. on MT4 without ind. probably only the same levels should be used with PA or news, but for news 10 PP is not enough stop. in General, diver work on any TF, even on M1, but on M1 are often false, but this is if we talk about 10 PP and more. and 2-3 can be easily taken, but here the joke is that you need a normal DEP, otherwise you will not feel that profit, unless of course you will sit for 10 hours at the computer. well, this is purely my opinion. and there can someone offer something else interesting)

 

[gainfaiter]

Thanks! That is, I understand that the support and resistance levels (horizontal) also work on M1-5? I mean the levels drawn exactly on these TF or only the levels of the older TF? So it's a long time to wait, if not, but they write that pipsovschiki make 100 or more transactions a day. I tried from the channel borders, but not ice at all, when you wait for a rebound, there is a breakdown.

 

[trance2008]

Yes, the levels work from the higher TF, and on the same M5 you can find levels without problems, from which the price will go, but this does not mean that it will 100% fight them off, there may be a breakout, there may be a false breakout. for such cases, stops are invented, for example, I look at the price, if it is at the level, I enter by diver, if there is one, if not, I wait, it will often be+, but I put the stop anyway, because who knows, maybe a market maker or someone else wants to enter, the stops will be broken by others. in General, go to the topic-levels of supply and demand, if you want to know about the levels, there are a lot of levels, but there are big timings, but the principle is simple to understand, on small TF they also work perfectly. and for 100 trades, forget it, it's just for a head start. as I said, this is done in markets such as RTS, etc. where there is a flow of orders, not deferred orders, namely from the purchase market, etc.I do not know how much experience you have in trading, but I am sure that in the end you will understand that the fewer transactions, the better. it is better to open one transaction with a TP of 30 PP, than 10 for 3 PP, and sit convulsively klatsat on the village and buy.

 

[gainfaiter]

What do you mean, a diver entrance? By the divergence indicator? I just still don't understand the principle of entry from the levels, if you don't use candle models, how many points can a false breakout go? And when to consider that a one-hundred-percent rebound has already begun, and not a false feint. Then it would be possible to put the deposits, say 20 p above and 20 p below the level, and the stops at the entrance of the opposite postponer. Then it would be possible to work with larger TF. I just don't like candlestick analysis models, they are quite rare. How to learn how to determine when a rebound is more likely and when a false breakout is more likely. Or it may happen that the price will catch both posrednik and both stop loss in turn.

 

[namus]

For example, we open a sell order with a lot of 0.01, but the price went in the opposite direction, up by 3 points ( spread width ) immediately we open another Sell order with a lot of 0.03, but the price moved further up by another three points, then we put another sell order only with a lot of 0.06, and so on.I think the principle is clear.

 

[namus]

Since the market price moves up and down, this strategy works well. The only rule with a small Deposit is not to trade on the news and during the European session when there are big jumps. When the price goes down, we look at the total profit and choose an acceptable profit of + $ 5 or$ 10, after which we close all orders.

 

[namus]

You can increase the lot and increase the distance. This strategy works one hundred percent, but of course you need to be guided by the indicators at the top to sell, at the bottom to buy. Well, of course, if the price went in the right direction, the main thing is to stop in time, the system is the same when the price passes by the amount of the spread, we increase the lot.

 

[namus]

We insure with stop losses only move them when the profit is reached above the placed order, if the price turns sharply in the opposite direction, a stop order with a profit will be triggered. Since the lot is doubled with increasing distance, in the opposite direction, the price will fall just below the second order to be in the black. And if two orders were placed, then before reaching the first one, there will be a profit.

 

[namus]

You can also use the CloseProfi expert Advisor script to help you trade this strategy. It sets the amount of profit in the Deposit currency, after which all manually placed orders will be automatically closed. For Pipsing, it will be enough to set this parameter from one to five.

 

[namus]

In addition to the strategy, you can also use the script of the TraillingStopLigt expert Advisor with the setting of a five-point trail and a three-point step. I recommend using the strategy on small timeframes. M1 - M5. This strategy works profitably even without the help of indicators. I wish you all a successful trade and a big profit!

 

[trance2008]

all that Namus said, working garbage, but it needs experience, you need to know where to open, gldne not worth it, because with a grid of villages, when the price is still not in their direction, you can not get a small loss in the end. and determine the diver by the AC, by the moving average of oscillator. they are the most normal for divers, and not at every level of course there will be divers or signals, sometimes it is not clear why the price broke or bounced. but try the demo first, you will understand the principle, and then everything will work out, there will still be more profitable deals. and if you want without divers, etc. , then as I said, the levels of sprsoa and supply work without indicators, you need to look for bounces there, so go to the next topic, it's called-the levels of supply and demand

 

[Евгени75рус]

I think you can't make money on M1 and M5, there are too many false entries, unless you want to catch 3-5 points from the deal. Such trading will not lead to anything good, especially without indicators. I would like to recommend the trade indicator for this strategy, and perhaps it is better to observe the trend on a higher timeframe first, and then open a position on M5. Well something like that

 

[trance2008]

so he wants to catch 3-5 points, so he asks.

 

[ManSon89]

Short trades in MF terminology - unlike the classic ones - are not sell , but PIP, deals with mandatory closing at the peak, since stops +1 are necessarily demolished during a rollback.

 

[Anton1984]

I am now (a month already) testing this strategy on the demo - 4 charts with TF H1,M30,M15 and M5 are open.There are support and resistance levels everywhere,and the truth changes quickly on the M5,but it's not a problem to find new ones.No indicators - just distracting.TR - 15 points.Stop loss is not set.and the most important thing is that when a candle comes out on all four charts for a new hour, I wait for five or eight minutes.If all the candles are bullish, then I buy them, and if they are bears, I sell them accordingly.It is very important that all charts have the same candlesticks.Sometimes you really have to wait a couple of hours for a profit.In my opinion, the strategy may not be the main one,but nevertheless, there was not a single loss-making transaction for a month.Testing takes place on the EUR / USD pair,I haven't tried it on others.Something like that.if you don't understand the explanation\l ask questions if you are interested.

In General, support and resistance levels work Well on the daily charts,but here you need an impressive Deposit and you can wait a month for a profit.And on short TF, you can also scalp,especially on a CET account.And the demo I think is generally EVIL-very different nervous tension with a different score.But the demo is suitable for testing strategies.And you need to start working on a cent account, of course.

Regarding the support and resistance levels, I personally think that this is a very effective method of trading.it is not difficult to determine the trailer.And as for the rebound or breakout, then experience rather plays a big role than skills.I also know for sure from my own observations that the candle bounces three times,and then breaks through.(this is not a guide to action.)

 

[Reverser]

You are right, but I do not agree with the cent account, a small lot is quite possible to enter on standard dollar accounts. It all depends on the strategy, but Yes, it's good that there are cent accounts, in principle, this choice should have appeared from the very beginning for brokers, since not everyone has serious funds for trading, and cent accounts give additional profit to brokers.



On the topic of quick pips, to be honest, I do not really support this type of trading for the reason that in fact the system is not there, there is a game of guess the movement, and okay if the sixth sense will correctly prompt, and if not? Catching moose or sitting on an average with critical drawdowns is not very good at all. It's easier on higher TF, but at least with some justification - why I'm in the market now.

 

[Anton1984]

Yes, of course, on a cent account you will not rise much.But it's still better to train on a cent account than on a demo account.you should also pay attention to the psychological factor,since You could not start trading in real money without going through the demo.on a real account, a strong psychological load begins, and there are also smart guys who take money on credit for trading, and then the casino begins with wagering losses.



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if you are interested, I can share my scalping system, which I have been testing on the demo for a couple of months.By the way, it is not so difficult to determine support and resistance levels on low time frames,the fact is that they exist.of course, the lower the TF, the more difficult it is to determine.Therefore, it is of course most convenient to work from the levels on daily charts.

 

[Reverser]

Yes, that's what I was talking about.

That you need both standard dollar accounts and cent accounts with the same conditions. It's a pity that not all brokers understand this. But cent accounts are quite the same spreads, swaps bring and are generally designed for mass production.










Of course, it would be nice, the theme was created for this purpose. It is always interesting to read interesting approaches to trading.

 

[Anton1984]

I've written somewhere before.Well, okay, again.Testing on EUR / USD.four charts are open - H1 ,M 30,M 15 and M 5 .We wait for the new candle to be released on H1 and wait for 5-7 minutes.We look at the charts - if all four charts have a bearish candle,we sell it,if it is bullish, then we sell it accordingly покупаем.ТР 10-15 points. I don't put stops(demo,on real life I will probably put stops).Something like that.There are of course drawdowns so that you have to wait for an hour of profit.But there were no losses yet.All of the above is not a guide to action.



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It will be interesting to trade on bonuses.Interesting in terms of nervous tension.



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It will be interesting to trade on bonuses.Interesting in terms of nervous tension.