TF 5 minutes - all possible strategies

[shortitrend]

You are wrong, the price of course goes back and forth, for all time periods, but the larger the TF, the longer it takes to wait for a signal to move and the stops are longer. Moreover, the M5 begins to move, and only then goes to the clock and other goals. The best option is to take several TF, such as H1 and M5. Take an hourly chart, draw a channel or trading range and work from its borders. And take the entry points for 5 minutes. Rebound or breakout from the level, based on graphical models or patterns. As a result, we get an entry at the level with a short stop, and set the profit at the hourly level or channel borders. And if you take one TF, especially a large one, then no matter how cool it is, it will often turn out that the stop is greater than or equal to the profit. If we consider M1, then on it, one noise is no more than that. So there is a difference .

 

[Frozzam]

A simple and effective system for 5 minutes is trading on 123 patterns , the pattern should be searched for after correction by the trend on H1 , or at peak levels on the daily chart , trading in the London session , take profit is desirable to put at least 1 to 3 , you can also set a profit on the levels of stretched clearly defined nearest extremes on the daily chart , who will have difficulties in determining the 123 pattern , you can use the zig-zag indicator with parameters 4 3 3, and look for an entry point on the psi indicator when it is at the levels oversold or overbought.

 

[mikhail7]

On intuition. If I feel that I have lost the rhythm of the market, it would be a good idea to exit the deals completely, and then re-enter. Strategies for 5 minutes: trade cross-pairs to return to the price, the markets of which are closed in this trading session, for example, the Euro pound in America, small breakouts/touches/approaches to minor levels, and expect the price to rebound.

 

[Irlis]

And is there such a pattern that pairs go back at a time when their markets are closed? I have often observed the opposite. But the topic itself is very interesting. Do you have any information about all this? Please share.









It is very difficult to implement all this in practice. It sounds very logical, and I tried to trade like this, but I can't say that it turned out well. Actually, it turned out exactly the same as just conducting an analysis on an older TF. Here you often enter, but very often you do not get a profit, you need to constantly monitor, you often have to close a small profit or break-even with your hands.

 

[mikhail7]

By the way, the ratio of currencies, they are our exchange rates, tobish tools, Forex-returns do occur much more often than various assets that are the ratio of any thing to the dollar, as a rule, these assets ( things ) by its ratio, it is much less than the weight of the money supply of the leading economies..

About share, this dismiss, so I'm afraid that I blurted out too much)

 

[Irlis]

This is probably an indicator of the tool's trendiness. And the nature of currencies is to always look for some kind of balance. The value of the currency should be convenient for calculations, the rate should suit economists, and traders make their contribution. The eternal struggle leads to kickbacks and all that.

I don't know what you thought was superfluous, you didn't say anything seditious. Or is this the trader's interpretation of who's secret? Well, then the main thing would be something to hide))).

 

[Vikont63]

You don't quite understand what I mean))The fact that there is more movement in the older half,and it takes longer to wait for the signal,I do not argue with this,but on the contrary, I agree.I meant when I said that the price moves the same on all halves, this is the structure itself up, down and drift))It's just that each time these movements are different in range and time..Trading styles and strategies themselves are different for everyone,someone does not like to stare at the monitor all day and catch movements on small timings,and trades from H4 and higher,for example, and someone on the contrary does not like to wait and get high scalping for 3-5pp..Here,as they say, the taste and color..))And again, someone looks from the younger half,where,as You correctly noticed,a trend is emerging, and already checks with the older one..And someone goes from the opposite, first look at the overall picture on the older, and falls on a small TF to go better)Who is more convenient, and who sees the market as it is..Both are right in their own way))

 

[Vikont63]

Of course, I am not an expert in macroeconomics,but it seems to me that the exchange rate should first of all suit the leadership of States where a particular currency is in circulation,and the rest of the world who needs it))Economists just think))After all, it is not for nothing that when a national currency begins to fall or grow strongly, some movements immediately begin to equalize it,all sorts of interventions and the like..and this is mainly done by national banks,and these are state structures..I don't know, maybe the shit said,but for some reason I see it this way)

 

[Irlis]

In General, I would also like to think so, but the fact is that one of the main requirements from the IMF to the Central banks of countries is that the Central Bank of the country does not belong to it. This is motivated by the fact that the government of the country could not exert pressure on monetary policy, set strict exchange rates, control the currency market, and so on. So the Central Bank is de jure independent, although there is a de facto connection, at least as long as the country's interests do not contradict the interests of the IMF. And then the IMF can put pressure on the Central Bank, and the Central Bank is almost always the debtor of the IMF, and the Central Bank will most likely comply with the requirements of the IMF and not the requirements of the country's leadership.

The world is organized quite logically from the point of view of centralized management. Only the control center of all countries is the same, located in the fed, which is sponsored by the IMF.

 

[Кречет]

Well, probably the simplest strategy is scalping by Bollinger bands:

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Simple and probably the most "oak" strategy for five minutes.

The question is, what kind of trader are you, how long is it convenient for You to wait for a deal , it is extremely difficult to enter TF5 for an average period of time . so perhaps the most appropriate strategy is scalping.

 

[prezedentM]

it is more difficult to trade on a 5-minute chart. In order not to search for the Grail ,you can simply use the time interval of 5 minutes and every 5 minutes to deploy the opposite order,increasing the next lot by so that for 5 points to taxi all the previous bids of unprofitable orders.

 

[Alexandr200808]

With a quick trade Button, when you can immediately set a stop and take, or in a quiet market, trading before major news for at least an hour, and you put a pending order ? how do I understand the sequence of support and resistance zones, but I don't understand what you are entering - as soon as the green chart shows the reversal fixed by the last M5 candle ? changing buy to sell on the body can be, for me it is easier to use the Bollinger on H1-M30 and 2 orders will work out their profit in a day, and the 3rd one by the evening (end of the trading day) and a non - stop sequence of orders to continue with a limited series of 10 transactions, stop if there is the maximum possible profit-for 2-3 transactions, naturally with a large Mat-expectation, like 1 to 3-4.









A huge probability of getting slippage and executing orders at an unfavorable price, even postponement, whether manually or by a robot, like a VPS server, minimizes force majeure with Martin and a small step, but the momentum back and forth ( buy sat ) I have observed about 5 times, during Brexit, however, some call it shaking out the stops of other traders.))

 

[Кречет]

Scalping is usually in a quiet market . Yes , there are trend indicators on scalping, Bollinger bands is probably the main one , it is in the standard settings + more indicators .

Of course, the Fibonacci bands+ technical indicators:

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[Кречет]

In fact, speaking in terminology, this is a martingale, the question is calculating the number of steps in which this strategy will rest when it reaches the maximum drawdown .

Martingale has only one drawback: a strong movement "eats" all the profit.

If you monitor all the important news and do not go to them, then Yes, this strategy makes a profit.

and / or calculate the martingale for news , then on a normal day the profit will be a penny , but on the news it will not only not merge but also bring a good profit

 

[Alexandr200808]

The concept is stretched, many people perceive this trade After the news, but usually daily volatility ? for example, GBPUSD is about 60-90 points with a typical economic calendar tape - 1 potentially highly volatile financial event and several average ones, on Investing 2 heads about 4-5 pieces and 3 heads for one, more usually gives a concentration of the price's Impulse move, when it simultaneously shoots out just before the 1st strong news, and subsequent exits help to continue moving.









Do you have a top-up system ? on the screen, starting with the purchase at 0.01, the approximate risk-profit ratio is 1 to 3 and then the 2nd order for overbought sat at 0.03, with a wide stop on the level, then the distance is 1 to 2 and again the lot increase ? 3 times - 0.09%, this is the maximum risk series for the position ? that is, on the 4th time you do not continue to pyramid, or it is a martingale.









But the Bollinger bands themselves are not displayed ? that is, you are trading using an expert Advisor, or the script has hidden it like this, but thank you for this, I don't like the collapse of the corridor area at the indicator, often with low volatility there is also a far deviation from the price - the shift parameter, which smoothes the image.

 

[Кречет]

Yes, everything comes from the market, as you know, there is more time to take steps, if the news rolls in, you go out . For transactions, everything is simple: the stop for each subsequent transaction should overlap with the profit from the previous one. at the risk of minus only the first transaction, everything else is "free".









the pound is a rabid goat ... the pound is easier to trade on average . Or if there is a strong movement to the top on each rollback, set buy and after 20 PP plus transfer to no loss, you get a series of orders with a potentially good profit . The pound constantly shows good intraday moves in one direction , scalping is not advisable.

 

[Alexandr200808]

The minus of the first deal is not displayed unfortunately, or I'm looking incorrectly, because there is no minimum, because the deal is on buy, so then you increase the lots by a factor of 3 times ? and the average ratio of 1 to 2-3, according to the chart to the border of the range, I believe on the thrall, the levels in the ascending chart are visible only on large TF, and the peaks here are also not obvious, in particular for the 2nd sell order at 0.03, but more interested in the multiplier, it turns out the first 3 steps 0.01 --> 0.03 --> 0.09, and then 0.27 this is already like doubling approximately and almost tripling 0.81 purchase total you have 5 steps ?









But overall it is flat, albeit volatile, strong on news, when many high schools and several important, usually 2-3 is the maximum and the norm 1 and on average 4-5, inputs 60 points unidirectional, but the same thing happened when the price of oil when Russia's withdrawal from OPEC began to walk in a wide range, I have only a month's supply was able to digest these kickbacks, they just need to "eat" not to concentrate on accumulation in price fluctuations - 60 points for 1st step + 120 to 61 on the 2nd, and the same 3-mu, a total of 320 all in one direction, of course the main cut correction against the main trend, in order not to merge early.)

P. s. and then it turns out medium-term scalping, still 60 points have to wait, but there is a possibility of the monitor's absence and manual trading, minus fat-17 deals at the mercy of each step and 5.88 percent of the full risk margin, 2 months is quite repulse, but even counted 3.

 

[Кречет]

well, in a nutshell, scalping+ anti-martingale:

we take the first lot 0.01 it passes 50 PP (the first lot is not closed). the second lot is set 0.03 with a stop of 25 PP. it turns out that if the price goes against the second lot, we have: the first lot will receive a profit on the take 50+25 (before the stop of the second lot )= 75 PP x 0.01=0.03 x 25 . That is, if the second lot is closed by the stop the first closes to take plus from minus overlaps the first from the second .

The number of steps should be taken from your statistics , how many consecutive transactions in plus you have.

If you rarely open deals, you can pull the series for almost a month . Just took the third step take removed put in the lock the same volume of the lot but in the opposite direction have a hanging profit waited for the entrance to be closed again "wrong" order. The stop loss of the" desired " order moves by the amount of points that were closed in the negative and anti-martingale scalping continues.

 

[Alexandr200808]

I understand, a very complex system, it turns out that both transaction volumes are Equal ( 0.75 ), and the 1st order is by default without a take ? conditionally, how much will it earn, where it will show a reversal near the border of resistance on the Bollinger and or put a pending sell order ( the one that is the 2nd), and take at least 1 to 2 movement from the 1st ? and the Profit of The same distance goes to the risk for the 2nd position, which in turn is also superimposed on the 3rd order ? with a risk on The entire earned profit ? but look - if the 2nd order is in the red, then there is no profit - the BU level ? income should remain when the 1st order was triggered as 1 to 3, and on the 2nd took 2 stops earned and sold at least 1 to 1 also, then completely zero will not be and at least 1 wagered stop.









It is easier to take a stop and take a risk, although it looks like a trailing stop on fragments of movement - that is, a 1-to-2 shot was fired - at the end of the border of the Deposit in the opposite direction and without increasing the lot, we again focus on the same ratio and continue to snake one deal with a potentially large total take for all positions.









does it change for you ? dynamic 25 on the 1st, and on the 2nd can be 40, or even 50 on the 3rd there is a certain limit - 60 maximum and 20 minimum for example.









but it seems sometimes better to alternate with pyramiding, that is, to take a linear lot, I don't remember - in the vehicle sniper ( any ) there is the same system ? a colleague traded consolidation with 200 rubles and apparently risking everything, and even with a good long-term goal increased to 200 thousand, of course, then merged and there are also different levels of stops - (dynamic )were.